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Destiny Corrupted
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Posted - 2012.08.07 01:33:00 -
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It's a shame that EVE is losing a worthy player, but I find your cause righteous. Personally, as of now, I'm giving the game a year to change its course, however slightly, or I will do the same. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 02:07:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:But whatever, leave. More for the rest of us. That's not how it works when content-creating players leave the game. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 02:19:00 -
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Attica wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:But whatever, leave. More for the rest of us. That's not how it works when content-creating players leave the game. No one player is that important. 'Content creating', whatever that means, or not. Wrong. There are plenty of players who lead others, invent new tactics and strategies, maintain markets, create OOG tools and apps, et cetera, who are infinitely more valuable than whole busloads of the revolving-door carebear filth that spends half of its half-year subscription periods begging for the ability to mine rocks with impunity, and then leaves when it gets bored anyway. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 02:37:00 -
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Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:You can quit but what are you going to play? There is no game around like EVE Online, and despite the things people dislike about it...it's still quite a fantastic game. That's the thing though, there seems to be a massive drive to make this game like any other game out there. With each passing day, there are more and more options out there, without new games even coming out. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 02:41:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Hilarious. At least you still have NPC null I guess... Oh god, please don't give them ideas, please. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 03:22:00 -
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A whole lot of people are throwing this "game must evolve" stuff around, but none of them explain why it has to evolve. They just say "it has to evolve for CCP to make money," and that's it. No explanation given. I guess the armchair businessmen need to leverage their synergies to stay relevant and stuff. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 03:46:00 -
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Attica wrote:Players wil either adapt or unsub and more ppl will try the game and like it. And what happens if these changes make the established player base look elsewhere, but at the same time fail to bring in enough new players? You make it sound like massive changes to EVE ("evolution") will definitely increase the game's subscription count, but that is by no means guaranteed.
Word-of-mouth has been consistently proven to be a stronger long-term marketing strategy for MMOs than direct advertisement. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 05:04:00 -
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Yakiya Katsuo wrote:GTFO and gimmie your stuff Work for it, like we did. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 05:10:00 -
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The terrible irony is that if the carebears have their way, we won't be able to tell them "told you so" because the game is going to be dead and we won't be able to communicate (not that they'll pry themselves away from the latest Zynga money pump long enough to listen anyway). (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 05:21:00 -
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Eh, don't bother pointing out the NPC-corpers. With some very rare exceptions, all of the "htfu ganker" people are going to post on alts. Fear is a defining characteristic of these people, and handily coincides with the stance they take toward the game. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 06:19:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Where else are you going to find a game even close to this? If the crimewatch changes come to pass, the EVE pvp experience won't be that far off from that of a pvp WoW server. That's a more or less objective statement based on many years of experience with each game, made by quantifying the average time/loss ratio for each game. In fact, even at this point, I can safely say that there are a few ways to cause more loss of time for people in WoW compared to EVE. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 07:10:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:CCP: Keep on the good work, for every bitter no-lifer leaving the game due to the game becoming more of a game and less of a job, youll get 2 or 3 or more new subs instead. Who will stay for 51 days each. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 07:15:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What can CCP do, when there's a generational shift toward spineless? CCP also play a PvP game, they on one side with their 20k concurrent online players (assuming their own published 2.5 alts per account / some stay logged off ofc) vs the idiot friendly, millions of subs giants.
That's also why it's important for CCP to try hold the old players, they preserve the "ancient mood" of the game, once they are gone then it's WoW-heads and CCP can't do anything but restrict their playerbase more and more. Or give in and make EvE just another piece of easy poo and then lose all. CCP certainly are in for some hard choices come the next years. They could develop a new game if they're after the Facebook bucks, instead of changing something that has a proven history of working well (albeit with a low growth rate). No one says CCP has to be a one-game company. They're taking a risk in casualizing EVE, which might not necessarily pay off. In fact, I'd venture to bet that it won't, simply because other MMOs do the pve stuff waaaaaay better. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 07:23:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Pilna Vcelka wrote:CCP: Keep on the good work, for every bitter no-lifer leaving the game due to the game becoming more of a game and less of a job, youll get 2 or 3 or more new subs instead. Who will stay for 51 days each. Im a newbie who loves carebearing, hates nerdy bitter vets and has stayed over 5,5 months already. Now GTFO with your generalisations and go crawl back up your moms a** telling her how uberleet internet hero you are in your PvP niche in EVE, she will surely be proud of you as long as you dont mentally cross the 12 years old line, where you will start being weird. SHOO! 3/10. Should be more passive-aggressive instead of confrontational for better effect. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:00:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:Thats where I win EVE, a newbie in an npc corp who will be gradually more and more catered to. Thats where all of you bitter vets lose, spilling tears of nostalgy and praying for a "hardcore uber evil video game" which wiill never work if made for profit. TBH I agree with you on that point.
But let me tell you one thing, all trolling and ad hominem aside: there is a significant chance that after you play this game for an extended period of time, your style will shift to resemble that of a pvp-oriented player. You might think that's impossible now, but the more you progress through the game, the more confident you will feel, and at some point you will delve into the game's more-sordid aspects. At that point, one of two things are likely to happen:
1. You will wish that you had more opportunities to engage in different shenanigans, even if the game doesn't itself change (much like current-day pvpers lament the game's artificial limitations in such forms as local in 0.0, NPC navy ships in highsec, etc). 2. The game will still be getting continuously casualized (made safer) in an effort to bring in the Facebook bucks, and you are likely to take up the very same stance that we're so vehemently defending right now.
In my adventures, I've encountered many people who shared your current beliefs. The majority of those people quit within a few months, but something interesting happened to the others. They "grew up," in EVE terms, and are now some of the best pvpers I know. People who wished cancer on me for killing their mission Ravens in 2008 are today leading some of the most hardcore pirate/war corporations in the game.
Mark my words: if you stick around here long enough, you will change, and you will feel silly about saying the stuff you did. It's not just an empty promise; I have many years of empirical evidence to support this claim. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:16:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:They could develop a new game if they're after the Facebook bucks, instead of changing something that has a proven history of working well (albeit with a low growth rate). No one says CCP has to be a one-game company. They're taking a risk in casualizing EVE, which might not necessarily pay off. In fact, I'd venture to bet that it won't, simply because other MMOs do the pve stuff waaaaaay better. They have tried, both with Dust (we'll see how it'll do) and the emo vampires MMO. Of course a small, non public company cannot put budget "out of nowhere" on multiple projects so they tried to "use" EvE for part of the development. We see it did not go so well. Because there's always the other part of the equation, you say they could make another game but then they will have to slow down developing the money maker and lose subs. As I said, hard choices. Well, I find nothing wrong with the vampire MMO per se. The problem was that they said "welp, we're going to pause with the EVE stuff for a few years to work on pretty avatars." If they developed it alongside EVE, without dipping into the resources allocated for the latter (at least to a great extent), then why not? I mean, **** it, I'd play me some vampires. Sounds interesting, and I'd have no problem kicking them a sub if it's a worthy game. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:29:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Well, I find nothing wrong with the vampire MMO per se. The problem was that they said "welp, we're going to pause with the EVE stuff for a few years to work on pretty avatars." If they developed it alongside EVE, without dipping into the resources allocated for the latter (at least to a great extent), then why not? I mean, **** it, I'd play me some vampires. Sounds interesting, and I'd have no problem kicking them a sub if it's a worthy game. Well if enough people will kick them a sub, why not allocate more resources to it. It isn't irrational. Oh dear, they're shooting the jita statue, let them eat... er drink... cake. No, blood. When companies take on new ventures, they find methods to finance them before doing so. What CCP tried to do was take the money that they needed to maintain their cash cow (EVE), not just the surplus generated from operations, and divert it into a new project, and that's something you LOL simply don't do. Go to the bank and get a loan or something, but do not stop buying feed for the headless chicken that draws all the people to your carnival. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:29:00 -
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derp forumz (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 11:44:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:Actually, carebears tend to be much older, mature and financially self-sufficient than "hard players". Simply because they dont have the time or desire to waste their lives "living hardcore pvp lives". They dont play to "overcome spectacular challenges" because they have enough of those in real world, they come to the virtual one to relax.
Its the 17y/o bullied fatties who make the best die-hard pvpers in any MMO, simply because they need to vent their frustration of failing at their real lives, all of their hate and desire to hurt other players comes simple from being inferior and hurt human beings. Well-written, just the right amount of passive aggression to make it work. An easy 7/10. Would give it a higher score if it wasn't recycled material. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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